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		<title>By: Hugo Hadlow</title>
		<link>http://www.cuca.org.uk/2009/03/13/the-british-state-should-default-on-its-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Hadlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 00:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article was inspired by a Brian Micklethwait article at Samizdata: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2009/02/another_extreme.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Another extreme meme that needs to get out there - default!&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, and a link in the comments to the radgeek article I linked to, &lt;a href=&quot;http://radgeek.com/gt/2009/01/14/repudiation_now/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Repudiation now&lt;/a&gt;. That links to a Kevin Carson article at the Centre for a Stateless Society, &lt;a href=&quot;http://c4ss.org/content/80&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Ecuador Repudiates Foreign Debt: It’s About Time&quot;&lt;/a&gt;. 

I didn&#039;t link to the Samizdata article because it was a tad unsavoury. 



After writing this article, I came across one from Murray Rothbard in 1992, &lt;b&gt;&quot;Repudiating the National Debt&quot;&lt;/b&gt;.
http://www.mises.org/article.aspx?Id=1423
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard198.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard190.html

Rothbard first ponders whether bankruptcy laws are just. Then he explains that government debt is unjust and wrong, using much the same reasoning as I have above. 

In the comments at http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2004/01/government_vs_p.html, someone points out some good rhetoric: &quot;The classic republican argument is that taxation without representation is unjust. Those who have to pay the enormous deficits [people not yet born] get no say in determining those deficits and have to shoulder the interest costs and higher taxes to cover them.&quot;

I&#039;d really like someone to write an article arguing this for &lt;i&gt;Varsity&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;The Cambridge Student&lt;/i&gt; next term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article was inspired by a Brian Micklethwait article at Samizdata: <a href="http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2009/02/another_extreme.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Another extreme meme that needs to get out there &#8211; default!&#8221;</a>, and a link in the comments to the radgeek article I linked to, <a href="http://radgeek.com/gt/2009/01/14/repudiation_now/" rel="nofollow">Repudiation now</a>. That links to a Kevin Carson article at the Centre for a Stateless Society, <a href="http://c4ss.org/content/80" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Ecuador Repudiates Foreign Debt: It’s About Time&#8221;</a>. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t link to the Samizdata article because it was a tad unsavoury. </p>
<p>After writing this article, I came across one from Murray Rothbard in 1992, <b>&#8220;Repudiating the National Debt&#8221;</b>.<br />
<a href="http://www.mises.org/article.aspx?Id=1423" rel="nofollow">http://www.mises.org/article.aspx?Id=1423</a><br />
<a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard198.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard198.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard190.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard190.html</a></p>
<p>Rothbard first ponders whether bankruptcy laws are just. Then he explains that government debt is unjust and wrong, using much the same reasoning as I have above. </p>
<p>In the comments at <a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2004/01/government_vs_p.html" rel="nofollow">http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2004/01/government_vs_p.html</a>, someone points out some good rhetoric: &#8220;The classic republican argument is that taxation without representation is unjust. Those who have to pay the enormous deficits [people not yet born] get no say in determining those deficits and have to shoulder the interest costs and higher taxes to cover them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really like someone to write an article arguing this for <i>Varsity</i> or <i>The Cambridge Student</i> next term.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Hadlow</title>
		<link>http://www.cuca.org.uk/2009/03/13/the-british-state-should-default-on-its-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-1540</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Hadlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam Smith, right at the end of The Wealth of Nations: 

&quot;When national debts have once been accumulated to a certain degree, there is scarce, I believe, a single instance of their having been fairly and completely paid. The liberation of the public revenue, if it has ever been brought about at all, has always been brought about by a bankruptcy; sometimes by an avowed one, but always by a real one, though frequently by a pretended payment. The raising of the denomination of the coin has been the most usual expedient by which a real public bankruptcy has been disguised under the appearance of a pretended payment.&quot;

WoN, Book 5, Chapter 3, &quot;Of Public Debts&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam Smith, right at the end of The Wealth of Nations: </p>
<p>&#8220;When national debts have once been accumulated to a certain degree, there is scarce, I believe, a single instance of their having been fairly and completely paid. The liberation of the public revenue, if it has ever been brought about at all, has always been brought about by a bankruptcy; sometimes by an avowed one, but always by a real one, though frequently by a pretended payment. The raising of the denomination of the coin has been the most usual expedient by which a real public bankruptcy has been disguised under the appearance of a pretended payment.&#8221;</p>
<p>WoN, Book 5, Chapter 3, &#8220;Of Public Debts&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Hadlow</title>
		<link>http://www.cuca.org.uk/2009/03/13/the-british-state-should-default-on-its-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Hadlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://burningourmoney.blogspot.com/2009/04/repaying-national-debt-not.html

&quot;By 1946, our national debt was an humongous 250% of GDP - even worse than the 100% we&#039;re facing now. Yet, although it took us three decades, by 1974 we&#039;d got it down to a manageable 50% of GDP. So how did we do that?

...

Well, what do you know? Although over these three decades we reduced our debt burden from 250% of income to 50%, we actually made no net repayment at all. In fact, we doubled our outstanding debt.

The trick?

Oh, you guessed.

Over those three decades, money GDP increased nearly sevenfold, so as a percentage of GDP, debt fell sharply.

But here&#039;s the scary bit - of that sevenfold increase in money GDP, the vast bulk comprised inflation. In fact, over the period as a whole, inflation eroded the real value of government debt by nearly three-quarters.

Or as we creditors say, HMG defaulted on three-quarters of what it owed to the poor schmucks who&#039;d been stupid enough to lend.

In ten years time, please don&#039;t say you weren&#039;t warned.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://burningourmoney.blogspot.com/2009/04/repaying-national-debt-not.html" rel="nofollow">http://burningourmoney.blogspot.com/2009/04/repaying-national-debt-not.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;By 1946, our national debt was an humongous 250% of GDP &#8211; even worse than the 100% we&#8217;re facing now. Yet, although it took us three decades, by 1974 we&#8217;d got it down to a manageable 50% of GDP. So how did we do that?</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, what do you know? Although over these three decades we reduced our debt burden from 250% of income to 50%, we actually made no net repayment at all. In fact, we doubled our outstanding debt.</p>
<p>The trick?</p>
<p>Oh, you guessed.</p>
<p>Over those three decades, money GDP increased nearly sevenfold, so as a percentage of GDP, debt fell sharply.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s the scary bit &#8211; of that sevenfold increase in money GDP, the vast bulk comprised inflation. In fact, over the period as a whole, inflation eroded the real value of government debt by nearly three-quarters.</p>
<p>Or as we creditors say, HMG defaulted on three-quarters of what it owed to the poor schmucks who&#8217;d been stupid enough to lend.</p>
<p>In ten years time, please don&#8217;t say you weren&#8217;t warned.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo Hadlow</title>
		<link>http://www.cuca.org.uk/2009/03/13/the-british-state-should-default-on-its-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-964</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugo Hadlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hayek made the point well in his pamphlet &quot;Choice in Currency: A Way to Stop Inflation&quot;. The pamphlet is well worth reading for the brief histories included of inflation in revolutionary France and 1920s Germany. 

http://www.iea.org.uk/record.jsp?type=book&amp;ID=409</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hayek made the point well in his pamphlet &#8220;Choice in Currency: A Way to Stop Inflation&#8221;. The pamphlet is well worth reading for the brief histories included of inflation in revolutionary France and 1920s Germany. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.iea.org.uk/record.jsp?type=book&#038;ID=409" rel="nofollow">http://www.iea.org.uk/record.jsp?type=book&#038;ID=409</a></p>
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		<title>By: And another thing&#8230; &#171; Cambridge University Conservative Association</title>
		<link>http://www.cuca.org.uk/2009/03/13/the-british-state-should-default-on-its-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>And another thing&#8230; &#171; Cambridge University Conservative Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for bailing out banks or &#8220;stimulating&#8221; the economy comes from taxation, borrowing (deferred taxation), or inflation (taxation by stealth), it is theft from the poor. The poor are the only people who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for bailing out banks or &#8220;stimulating&#8221; the economy comes from taxation, borrowing (deferred taxation), or inflation (taxation by stealth), it is theft from the poor. The poor are the only people who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bezhan Salehy</title>
		<link>http://www.cuca.org.uk/2009/03/13/the-british-state-should-default-on-its-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator>Bezhan Salehy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason the government borrows so much is because it knows that it doesn&#039;t have to pay it off in the same way as a person has to pay off a bank loan - they can just get the Bank of England to print a load of money for them, which is nothing less than theft from everyone who has pounds sterling.  The only way to stop this is to abandon fiat money and move to a fully convertible commodity standard (in practice, gold).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason the government borrows so much is because it knows that it doesn&#8217;t have to pay it off in the same way as a person has to pay off a bank loan &#8211; they can just get the Bank of England to print a load of money for them, which is nothing less than theft from everyone who has pounds sterling.  The only way to stop this is to abandon fiat money and move to a fully convertible commodity standard (in practice, gold).</p>
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		<title>By: The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government &#171; Cambridge University Conservative Association</title>
		<link>http://www.cuca.org.uk/2009/03/13/the-british-state-should-default-on-its-debt/comment-page-1/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government &#171; Cambridge University Conservative Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] run out of our money. The country as a whole is now in negative equity. Every British child is born owing around £20,000. Servicing the interest on that debt is going to cost more than educating the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] run out of our money. The country as a whole is now in negative equity. Every British child is born owing around £20,000. Servicing the interest on that debt is going to cost more than educating the [...]</p>
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